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29-11-2015 18:08:14  #1


"Dead" Torpedo escapement

This one has got me quite worried. When cleaning the typebars of my Torpedo 18, I found out that all of the keys, when slowly brought up to the platen, do not trigger the escapement. This results in "dead" keys like on some other European layouts. When typing, the keys trigger the escapement and the typewriter works fine, it's just that sometimes, I'll get overlapping letters. 

What are some adjustments I can do to fix the escapement? I've never had to dive into the escapement, so it seems very daunting...


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29-11-2015 19:45:34  #2


Re: "Dead" Torpedo escapement

It sounds like when you are hitting the keys slowly, the escarpment does not escape. Is this right?


Because that is very strange.... Will it work if you have one hand on the end of the carriage and push it a little?

And it may not me a problem with escapement, escarpment is triggered by the carriage moment, which is triggered (Or moved actually) by the mainspring. It may be the mainspring tension. (Although, would your problems be reversed?)


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29-11-2015 21:01:17  #3


Re: "Dead" Torpedo escapement

I'm pretty sure the movement of the carriage movement does not cause the escapement to trigger, but rather the other way around. I can bring a typebar slowly all of the way up to the platen, and nothing will happen. Usually, the escapement is suppose to trigger when the typebar is close (but not touching) the platen. Not sure how it got to be like this.


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30-11-2015 05:55:52  #4


Re: "Dead" Torpedo escapement

Sorry, got mixed up with older machines

Okay, so, when you lift a type bar, it triggers escapement, and then the carriage moves from the draw band.

In your case, I think escapement might need a good cleaning. Maybe a dunk bath would work )Since its hard to reach)? Ive never done one...


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30-11-2015 05:57:09  #5


Re: "Dead" Torpedo escapement

ztyper wrote:

...When cleaning the typebars of my Torpedo 18, I found out that all of the keys, when slowly brought up to the platen, do not trigger the escapement. This results in "dead" keys like on some other European layouts. When typing, the keys trigger the escapement and the typewriter works fine, it's just that sometimes, I'll get overlapping letters..

I'd like to be sure I understand that correctly. When you bring the key bars up slowly none of them trigger a normal carriage movement? And when you are typing at normal speed all the keys seems to trigger normal carriage advance most of the time, but sometimes not?

When you see overlapping letters, is it two letters typing exactly on top of each other, or is the second letter typing before the platen has moved a full space over, with partial overlap?

As for what triggers what I'd say without a detailed understanding of this particular mechanism that's not worthwhile to debate: bottom line is the mainspring supplies the power, a keystroke releases the power so the carriage can move over to the next typing position, and the escapement allows the carriage to move over exactly one position rather than running free to the end. 


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30-11-2015 19:33:40  #6


Re: "Dead" Torpedo escapement

Repartee wrote:

When you bring the key bars up slowly none of them trigger a normal carriage movement? And when you are typing at normal speed all the keys seems to trigger normal carriage advance most of the time, but sometimes not?

None of them trigger the escapement when I bring them up, and all of them do when I type.

Repartee wrote:

When you see overlapping letters, is it two letters typing exactly on top of each other, or is the second letter typing before the platen has moved a full space over, with partial overlap? 

It's two letters directly on top of each other. My Royal Arrow has this problem where if I type too fast, then they partially overlap, but this is a full overlap meaning the carriage did not move at all.

And I know it's not dirt, because I cleaned the heck out of that thing. There must be an adjustment somewhere inside the machine.


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30-11-2015 22:44:35  #7


Re: "Dead" Torpedo escapement

ztyper wrote:

Repartee wrote:

When you bring the key bars up slowly none of them trigger a normal carriage movement? And when you are typing at normal speed all the keys seems to trigger normal carriage advance most of the time, but sometimes not?

None of them trigger the escapement when I bring them up, and all of them do when I type.

This implies there is something velocity sensitive in the action, and I would really be curious to learn why. Could this be an even more extreme version of the Victor 10, which was said to reward only fast typists: a machine which actually didn't type at all if you didn't move your fingers fast enough! 

Since it seems the overall sequence of mechanical events during a normal type stroke includes something velocity dependent (more accurately, acceleration dependent), two possible explanations for it failing sometimes during regular typing ...

1) Your finger did not strike the second key with sufficient speed
2) The acceleration sensitive part of the mechanism did not move freely

Or some combination of 1) and 2), a little sticky, a little slow.

Have you experimented? I'm sure you are a good typist, but I know sometimes I have the unsatisfying feeling of a finger giving a key a slap rather than a solid strike. There is a 3...

3) Escapement sometimes sticks for reasons unrelated to velocity dependent action.

I'd like to know what you find out.

I own a Torpedo also, or at least a lever from one: a bicycle, not a typewriter!  They did make bikes, and there are some really funny German expressions by the three gear speeds, which escape me just now.
 


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09-12-2015 16:32:51  #8


Re: "Dead" Torpedo escapement

Figured it out! It was just a small adjustment to the escapement.


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