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15-7-2017 16:26:16  #1


Olivetti Valentine fonts

I recently noticed online a few pictures of text written using an Olivetti Valentine.
The font is some sort of techno font (squared shapes, kind of unique style).

My red Valentine has a normal Pica.
Does anybody know:
1. Which Valentine models had this different font?
2. What's the name of such typeface?
 


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15-7-2017 22:08:44  #2


Re: Olivetti Valentine fonts

Have to make this reminder periodically: "pica" is not a font nor a typeface; it is not a design or shape of letters---pica is a pitch, ten characters to the inch. It is misleading to call a font "pica" and it doesn't really convey any information beyond the pitch. To talk about a font, use its real name as specified by the manufacturer if you can find out what that is, or, as most people intend, just refer to its font category: roman (serif); sans serif or its variant, the squared-off techno; script (incorrectly, cursive); italic; or blackletter (Olde English, old German, very rare). I'm betting that when you say "normal Pica" here, you are referring to a roman font.

"elite" is 12 character per inch.

You often see these two words within the real names of fonts, but they are not actual names of fonts.

Sorry---after all that, I don't know what Olivetti called their techno font, and they may even have had several versions of it. Usually a maker would not name its typewriter models for their font. Any particular model would be available with a choice of fonts and you can only tell what it has by looking at the slugs or the output.

 

16-7-2017 03:17:54  #3


Re: Olivetti Valentine fonts

This is great information, M. Höhne. 
I realise my experience is extremely limited and all the information I could find online, refer to Pica, or Elite as a font
Thanks for sharing!


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16-7-2017 07:00:09  #4


Re: Olivetti Valentine fonts

I would also argue that when it comes to what a typewriter is equipped with, we are talking about a typeface and not a font.


The pronoun has always been capitalized in the English language for more than 700 years.
 

16-7-2017 07:05:18  #5


Re: Olivetti Valentine fonts

Noted. Thanks for clarifying.

So, yeah. I'm looking for cues about the real name of the "techno" typeface on Valentine models form Olivetti.
I'll keep investigating and update this post if I manage to discover anything useful.


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16-7-2017 08:36:49  #6


Re: Olivetti Valentine fonts

puleddu wrote:

This is great information, M. Höhne. 
I realise my experience is extremely limited and all the information I could find online, refer to Pica, or Elite as a font
Thanks for sharing!

Agreed, but that's because most of the chatter online is by newbies who learn a little bit and then think they have mastered all there is to know---no context, no detail, no nuance, no perspective. Being able to toss off some in-group terms is all they need.

I wouldn't make this such a crusade except that it is so very misleading. It is important to know a typewriter's pitch because some strongly prefer one or the other, but then you have people talking about a pica font (they mean roman) without noticing that the typewriter in question is elite pitch, all because they don't know their terms. Happens a lot.

OTOH, somebody might be looking for a typewriter with Prestige or Diplomat or Courier---all roman fonts and all available on elite or pica machines---but the advertiser only calls it Pica because he thinks that's the name for roman in general.

Thanks for the chance to clarify

 

16-7-2017 08:53:44  #7


Re: Olivetti Valentine fonts

Uwe wrote:

I would also argue that when it comes to what a typewriter is equipped with, we are talking about a typeface and not a font.

Except that the established usage has it the other way 'round. Here's Wikipedia (usually reliable at this level of explanation):  

<<  In metal typesetting, a font is a particular size, weight and style of a typeface. Each font was a matched set of type, one piece (called a "sort") for each glyph, and a typeface consisting of a range of fonts that shared an overall design.

<<  In modern usage, with the advent of digital typography, "font" is frequently synonymous with "typeface", although the two terms do not necessarily mean the same thing. In particular, the use of "vector" or "outline" fonts means that different sizes of a typeface can be dynamically generated from one design. Each style may still be in a separate "font file"—for instance, the typeface "Bulmer" may include the fonts "Bulmer roman", "Bulmer italic", "Bulmer bold" and "Bulmer extended"—but the term "font" might be applied either to one of these alone or to the whole typeface.... >>

That acknowledgement of "modern usage" is the difficulty. I feel bad about the degradation of language because people can't be bothered to learn useful distinctions, thus producing a muddle, but then I'm only one guy. And I admit I have trouble keeping these two straight.

But confusing pitch with esthetic design interferes just too much with useful communication.

 

17-7-2017 09:49:52  #8


Re: Olivetti Valentine fonts

Going back to the original question, this is how my Valentine S writes:



Spanish keyboard layout and 10 CPI (pica, then), but as for the typeface, that´s a different story. I´d say this is what most Olivettis came with from the Barcelona plant according to a former worker. In fact, he referrred to the different pitches as Pica and Elite, never mentioning the CPI since here we don´t use inches at all except for TV screens. Even in that case most people don´t have a clue on how many centimetres is an inch.

What is a bit sad is how dull Olivetti became with typefaces in Barcelona. Apart from this one and techno, there´s not really much else. I´d say there are several script typewriters floating around, but they´re really scarce.


TaktaktataktaktakcluccluctaktaktaktaktakDINGtaktaktaktakCREEEEEEEEECtaktaktak...

(Olivetti Linea 98)
 
 

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