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20-2-2016 01:50:44  #1


Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

Sorry guys I'm back with more information about my typewriter that may make it easier to diagnose. Here is the last post although you can skip over it to make life easier.
The SCM won't not catch when I push the return leaver. I hit the leaver pushing the paper to the right and then it just slides all the way to the left without stopping, ending in a ding.

I have figured out if I press the backspace key it will catch, but will only let me type for the number of times I press the backspace key. Press it once and then type one letter, the platen slides all the way and dings. Press backspace twice and then type one letter, the platter moves over one letter. Type a second letter and it just slides all the way to the end again. You get the idea.

If I press the backspace too many times, about 10, then it releases and slides all the way to the end again. It was suggested that this was an issue with the escapement, so I tried everything above while watching the escapement and noticed that it misses on a specific tooth. 


Here a couple videos and photos of the machine that may help diagnose it.

That whole mess shown more easily:
https://youtu.be/-CNvBXn5OZU

Pressing backspace from the udnerside:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac9rDYB1gQo

Pressing in the keys after pressing backspace (underside):
https://youtu.be/vfj3g9_ldCI


Thank you guys so much for any help you can provide, I no nothing about typewriters.
- Braam
 

 

20-2-2016 08:12:30  #2


Re: Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

Well, is there anything unusual about that tooth? There are ten teeth on the escapement star wheel, right? Mark that tooth with paint or something. When the backspacing works, you just happen to be using it where good teeth are positioned, and then it spaces until it gets to that tooth, right? Is that tooth bent or chipped?

It's possible for there to be something wrong with the dogs that catch the teeth, so check them carefully, too. It's just that if ithe prob is *always* on *that* tooth, that's probably the culprit.

The odd thing is that the carriage *always* slides left when you use the return lever. Does it only do that when you Return from the very end at the right margin? Does it sometimes catch when you use the Return from a caught position midline?

 

20-2-2016 11:06:32  #3


Re: Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

The feed rack and pinion gear may not be meshing very well. Sometimes gunk in the feed rack pivots can keep them from returning completely. Not sure how the backspace would fix that, though. But it's worth working the feed rack release handle and oiling the pivot points with gun oil to see if that helps.


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20-2-2016 12:35:15  #4


Re: Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

M. Höhne wrote:

Well, is there anything unusual about that tooth? There are ten teeth on the escapement star wheel, right? Mark that tooth with paint or something. When the backspacing works, you just happen to be using it where good teeth are positioned, and then it spaces until it gets to that tooth, right? Is that tooth bent or chipped?

It's possible for there to be something wrong with the dogs that catch the teeth, so check them carefully, too. It's just that if ithe prob is *always* on *that* tooth, that's probably the culprit.

I marked the culprit tooth and it is the one that always fails. There doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the tooth itself, its almost like the thing that pulls the teeth or the one that holds them in place (the dog?) cannot keep up.

As for if it always slides, if I have it at the mid line having pushed the backspace I can push the lever and release it with it staying in place. This is true to a point, if I push the carriage too far then it loses the catch and just becomes free sliding again.

Thanks for the help
 

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20-2-2016 12:57:59  #5


Re: Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

Ok then, thats the escapement dog. (I think)
Have any degreaser, or cleaner on hand? If not, rubbing alcohol is good enough.
Load a Q-Tip with any of the above, and wipe it all over the joint of the culprit. Try and move it however you can, even if you just tapping the spacebar or backspacing. Then, wipe away with a dry q tip the stuff you put on. It should work better.


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20-2-2016 18:01:53  #6


Re: Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

Try also looking above the escapement mechanism at the upper gear meets the rack frame (the one on the carriage that is pulled back when you release the carriage to move it to a different place on the writing line).  It well could be that the rack frame may be bent just enough to not mesh with the top escapement gear, or the whole rack frame may not mesh tightly enough with this gear.  There are two adjustments on either side where the carriage releases are.  You'll have to bend them, and watch how the rack frame contacts the escapement gear on either side.  It'll be trial and error, but you'll want to get it to where it has contact, but not too tight a contact to where it makes a grinding sound everytime you return the carriage.


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20-2-2016 18:28:58  #7


Re: Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

Thats true, as Im pretty sure the later typewriters used cheaper and weaker materials...

Haha, Im used to my cast iron Royals rack!


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20-2-2016 20:44:00  #8


Re: Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

TypewriterKing wrote:

Try also looking above the escapement mechanism at the upper gear meets the rack frame (the one on the carriage that is pulled back when you release the carriage to move it to a different place on the writing line).  It well could be that the rack frame may be bent just enough to not mesh with the top escapement gear, or the whole rack frame may not mesh tightly enough with this gear.  There are two adjustments on either side where the carriage releases are.  You'll have to bend them, and watch how the rack frame contacts the escapement gear on either side.  It'll be trial and error, but you'll want to get it to where it has contact, but not too tight a contact to where it makes a grinding sound everytime you return the carriage.

I did my best to find this but I'm not sure what that specifically looks like. There isn't any visible moving gear while I slide the carriage about. Do I perhaps need to take the plastics off?

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20-2-2016 20:44:42  #9


Re: Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

TypewriterGuy wrote:

Ok then, thats the escapement dog. (I think)
Have any degreaser, or cleaner on hand? If not, rubbing alcohol is good enough.
Load a Q-Tip with any of the above, and wipe it all over the joint of the culprit. Try and move it however you can, even if you just tapping the spacebar or backspacing. Then, wipe away with a dry q tip the stuff you put on. It should work better.

Used rubbing alchahol and on the escapement itself and anything that touches it, unfortunately the issue persists. 
 

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20-2-2016 20:48:58  #10


Re: Classic 12 Carriage Won't Catch or Stay put

treefaller wrote:

The feed rack and pinion gear may not be meshing very well. Sometimes gunk in the feed rack pivots can keep them from returning completely. Not sure how the backspace would fix that, though. But it's worth working the feed rack release handle and oiling the pivot points with gun oil to see if that helps.

Does this gear attach directly to the carriage?

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