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10-5-2013 06:16:03  #1


Royal FP with extra row of keys?

Hi everyone, first time poster here.

Yesterday I dusted off my Royal typewriter. Found it about 30 years ago as a kid in the dump, must have typed thousands of pages with it before I got my first computer.
Just for fun I tried to find some info online. Serial number is FPDE (or FPOE?) - 92 6395375, made in 1958.
Problem is, I can find dozens of pics and descriptions of Royal FP's, but all have the standard 4 row keyboard, not the 5 row one I have (above the number keys there's an extra row with decimals from 1 to 1 mil.)
I guess it's a special type made to make accounting more easy, but how rare is it, exactly?

Can't post a pic in my first post, it appears. Will do in the next.

Thanks in advance for any info you may have!

 

10-5-2013 06:32:14  #2


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Site is gruelling slow, btw. Hope that's just today.

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10-5-2013 06:35:21  #3


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Ok, pic. Mind you, this was before cleaning.

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10-5-2013 09:11:26  #4


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HI
Sorry, I don't now about rarity. but I have seen quite a few of these on sale when looking for items on my wish list - I'd estimate that I see them 1 in 250 TWs seen, and only ever on large desk machines: standard TWs.  I have only ever seen them on older machines, but that may be accident.

I've never really understood why they are necessary, except that they reduce the number of 0s you need to hit, but then accounting would, presumably, require relatively few instances of typing 1000 or 100 etc, so I'm unsure.  And I've never seen them in printed form -  could you type these keys out and show us please?


Sincerely,
beak.
 
 

10-5-2013 10:59:24  #5


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An FP with accounting keys? I've never seen one before, but then again that could be because those were business-oriented machines that didn't survive in the same numbers as those forgotten typers in people's closets. The rest of the keyboard is interesting too; I can't make it out from your photo, but what's on the key sharing space with the British Pound symbol? The other thing that I find interesting is that your machine appears to have a standard size carriage. Accounting typers typically have wider carriages to accommodate sheets of ledger paper.

Here's the keyboard of my 1958 FP (FPP11-6630104) for comparison:


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10-5-2013 13:57:15  #6


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Thanks for the replies!

beak wrote:

I've never really understood why they are necessary, except that they reduce the number of 0s you need to hit, but then accounting would, presumably, require relatively few instances of typing 1000 or 100 etc, so I'm unsure. And I've never seen them in printed form -  could you type these keys out and show us please?

They don't actually produce numbers, they're just a way to get the carriage in the right position for typing those number ranges in the correct place. Think pre-defined tabs.
I never used them, but then again, I'm not in accounting No idea how useful this function was in those days.

Uwe wrote:

The rest of the keyboard is interesting too; I can't make it out from your photo, but what's on the key sharing space with the British Pound symbol?

The circle with 2 dashes? IIRC that was used in an oldfashioned way to abbreviate the word "Number", like "No", with the sign instead of the "o". Don't know if this was British or continental.

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10-5-2013 21:49:19  #7


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50milliarden wrote:

Hi everyone, first time poster here.

Yesterday I dusted off my Royal typewriter. Found it about 30 years ago as a kid in the dump, must have typed thousands of pages with it before I got my first computer.

Thanks in advance for any info you may have!

Wow. You found that in the DUMP? You showed great foresight in your youth. 
 


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11-5-2013 07:41:26  #8


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Valiant wrote:

Wow. You found that in the DUMP? You showed great foresight in your youth. 

Actually I found it in the trash that the neighbour office put outside, together with some more office supplies. They're kinda nuts - a couple of years ago, they dumped 4 printers (2 HP lasers and 2 inkjets, all fully functional), 2 CRT-monitors and some assorted computer stuff. Needless to say, I salvaged it all.

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27-2-2016 17:55:27  #9


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What they used to call that is a 10-key decimal tabulator.  Believe it or not, I actually once had a 1955 Royal RE that was outfitted with one, and they were all electrically actuated!!  Decimal tabulation was used mainly in banks, accounting firms, and any place where sums of dollars and cents were tabulated and calculated.  These typewriters so equipped had wider carriages more often than not.  So I would definitely call that typewriter a keeper.


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28-2-2016 00:01:40  #10


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Hi 50

Here's an explanation of the 5th row of keys. When a ledger sheet was being filled for permanent records, it was often typed as opposed to being hand written. As you know, a ledger contains columns for numbers and always looks much neater if the decimal points line up all the way down the column. When the TW was being set up for a set of ledger sheets, a separate tab was set where the decimal point was to sit in each column .

Now imagine yourself copying a list of numbers ranging from 5¢ all the way up to $487,529.28. When typing .05 you'd tab to that column, then type .05. When typing the huge number, tabbing would take you to the decimal point, then you'd have to backspace 7 times before typing the number, tedious to say the least and very inefficient. Instead of having to backspace, hitting the 100 TH's key would stop the carriage 7 spaces to the left of the decimal point, from there you'd type in the number. Hope this helps.

Now onto Uwe's question

Here's a quick explanation of the key you have in question. If you notice, this keyboard does not have the # key, instead, number is abbreviated to upper case N followed by what looks like an underlined degree symbol º, something like №.

All the best,

Sky

 


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