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02-1-2017 06:09:01  #1


Consul with intermittent margin fault

Hi all,

I've got a pretty poorly made (sorry), sloppy Consul 232.1 portable typewriter.  Apart from it being pretty hideous to type on, its got an interment fault.  Please see photo.  It stops one character before the left margin, then it goes to the margin stop point, then it doesn't its completely random.  Its perfectly cleaned and lubricated.  

Any thoughts please? it's only just started doing this.

Thanks



Edit: Moved thread to correct sub-forum and replaced incorrect image link. (Uwe)

Last edited by Uwe (03-1-2017 14:04:18)

 

02-1-2017 06:10:59  #2


Re: Consul with intermittent margin fault

The link to the picture won't work, but its on the typewriter database under the consul 231.2, my picture is there.  Cheers

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02-1-2017 08:47:00  #3


Re: Consul with intermittent margin fault

Do you mean that when you return the carriage it sometimes stops one space from where it should?  If so, I'd suggest taking a careful look at the moveable margin stop - this was the cause when it happened to me once; sometimes these can become fractionally distorted, and cause an intermittent fault.  Check the shape where it contacts the stop proper.


Sincerely,
beak.
 
 

02-1-2017 14:04:49  #4


Re: Consul with intermittent margin fault

Hi Beak,

Yes exactly, I'll have a good look at the margin stops to see if anything looks weird.

It happened on my SM4 and then stopped when I started trying to change the weakened pawl spring which is part of the escapement, although I can't imagine this had anything to do with it as I don't see how that would affect the margin stop at the very end. Maybe something moved and it fixed itself.  

I really hate intermittent faults.  At least if you know that your machines tab for example doesn't work, you can live with it, at least until a time when you can fix it, t when its something happening different every time, it makes me want to stop using the machine.

Thanks again

Richard

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03-1-2017 07:31:04  #5


Re: Consul with intermittent margin fault

Yes intermittent faults are a real pain - just when you think it's gone, it messes up another page for you.  The other thing I would do is to check the return when the stop is set at different places - check anything and everything to do with that margin stop.


Sincerely,
beak.
 
 

03-1-2017 13:19:03  #6


Re: Consul with intermittent margin fault

Thanks for your reply.

The margins are ok both sides in terms of the margin mechanisms/stops etc.

Going to just have to put this down to experience. 

The more I probe this machine the more it feels like its been made out of coat hangers.  Disappointing because a few people said the Consuls typed well but they are so choddy compared to other machines I have, I don't see how they could.  Even the low end ones people said were ok, but I would not have touched this 231.2 if I had known. I would make a more durable job at least in my garden shed


 

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03-1-2017 14:22:26  #7


Re: Consul with intermittent margin fault

Platenboy wrote:

I've got a pretty poorly made (sorry), sloppy Consul 232.1 portable typewriter.  Apart from it being pretty hideous to type on, its got an interment fault.

I looked at your database listing for the typewriter because I had to repair your image link and thought it was strange that in it you stated that it "types nice" and "looks amazing."

Regardless of your vacillating view of its performance, I doubt that the Consul you have is a poorly made machine. Like most models made by the Czech manufacturer, it should have a rather light and concise type action, and if yours doesn't, then that is more a reflection of the current condition of your particular typewriter and not the quality of its build. Perhaps your Consul has led a hard life, or maybe some kid pounded the hell out of it thinking it was a toy, but you're completely ignoring fifty years of its history when you assume that its issues date back to when it was a new typewriter.


The pronoun has always been capitalized in the English language for more than 700 years.
 

04-1-2017 05:28:07  #8


Re: Consul with intermittent margin fault

Hi,

I had to look up the word vacillating as I had never heard of this before nice word as yes, it describes my post well.

Thanks for repairing the image.

I understand why you raised this point because I did think the typing was ok, but it seemed to get sloppier the more I used it. Hence why I previously said it was good.

It's possible it has been played about with by kids with heavy hands but the outside is immaculate so this would surprise me if they had, but you never know. 

I think I was just surprised by how many adjustment I have needed to make on this machine to get it to a reasonable standard vs some of the much poorer looking (aesthetically) machines that have required no work.

Yes, I can understand that this machine would have been a lot tighter when it was new, but just based on the machines I have (albeit not on your scale), the quality (in my humble opinion) is much lower than on those other machines.  Not based on performance, but just based on what I can see inside the machine and the thickness or lack of for some linkages etc, generally observations around quality and choice of materials used 

Didn't mean to besmirch the Consul name and disregard its lineage.  Sorry if it came across this way, it wasn't my intention. Perhaps I'll be a bit more focused and less reactionary when something goes wrong on my machine.  I think it's just frustration when you get an intermittent fault.   I do appreciate all the advice that was given to me to try and help.

Anyway, its working better now I have made further adjustments, it's far from spot on but it sure is a nice looking machine!

Thanks Uwe

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04-1-2017 14:40:47  #9


Re: Consul with intermittent margin fault

I hope you find the inner goodness that undoubtedly is lurking inside of your Consul. 

Ultra-portables can be deceiving when you poke around inside of them. It's true that their components can look less than robust, but you have to remember that these types of machines were built to be lightweight and highly portable, and primarily for use by someone who is traveling. They were never designed to endure the rigors of office use and their individual components can reflect that, but that doesn't mean that they're poorly made. As a rule of thumb I try to only compare models of the same design class, and if you were to compare your Consul to a model such as the Smith-Corona Corsair it becomes obvious why so many respect the overall performance of the Consul. 


The pronoun has always been capitalized in the English language for more than 700 years.
 

04-1-2017 15:19:17  #10


Re: Consul with intermittent margin fault

Yes, to be honest, I'm liking it a lot more now I've given it a final tweek.

So far, I have fixed the spacebar (which didn't work at all) by increasing the length of travel of the bar used in the mechanism, this was a case of removing its wing nut and inserting less of the bars thread into its holder. Now the travel is longer, it works beautifully as the mechanical actuates correctly.

Also, a screw was loose at the back of the margin release mechanism and the spring wasn't doing anything as it had shifted out of its holder. It is now releasing margins like a goodun.

I bent the paper rest a little and now it flicks out perfectly

All upper and lower case alignment is balanced now, although there does still seem to be play in the carriage shift mechanism and its unadjustable at this point.

Its alignment is not perfect but its a hundred times better than when I got it. Very satisfying to play around with.

Definitely a keeper.

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