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12-12-2015 10:09:10  #11


Re: 1930's Underwood Noiseless desk model

You shouldn't have to remove anything to see the number, especially not since it is missing the type bar cover. Your Remington reminds me of my Frankentyper, but at least yours still has the original keys; it looks like a fun project machine and there are a lot of possibilities for what you can do with it. ​

With respect to photos, I only have/use a relatively inexpensive Olympus PEN model and the standard lens that it came with (a 14-42 mm), which is slightly better than a point-and-shoot model. I'd love to buy a proper Olympia DSLR, but that's not something I can justify spending money on at the moment. I'm also a little gun-shy when it comes to camera equipment since all the expensive 35 mm gear that I used to own was made worthless by the digital revolution.  

The trick to sharp photos and good close-ups is really good lighting and keeping the camera absolutely still (I often use a tripod). However, I looked up your A520, and given its specs you would be hard pressed to get very sharp images from it (maybe I looked at the wrong model, but it must be around 10 years old, which in the digital world is akin to a century). Given Christmas is almost upon us (and boxing day), you should treat yourself to something with a little more horsepower and better optics. ​ You don't have to spend a lot: I'm quite happy with my camera and it only cost around $400, which is less than half the price of a half-decent lens for a DSLR.

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25-12-2015 16:08:38  #12


Re: 1930's Underwood Noiseless desk model

I got bored on Xmas day so I started poking and prodding that Underwood Noiseless Standard that I bought recently. To my surprise, and despite all the rust, it's coming apart pretty easily. Of course, I haven't gotten the carriage off yet. But I did get the platen and feed rollers out and I found the serial number, finally. And the only thing I've broken so far was the draw tape (which broke off right at the metal hook so I'll have to make up another to get this working later)
   For the benefit of any others who might be scratching their head, as I was, trying to find the serial number, here's a pic of my project with the platen roller off and the location highlighted.
    From the typewriter database site this looks like a 1940 Underwood Noiseless Standard, s/n N5226971.

The serial number is on the lip facing the back of the machine, and it is written upside down so you can read it when craning your head down from the top.


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25-12-2015 18:05:56  #13


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Ta Daaaa! Success! I got the carriage removed today! With the help of the Ames manual. Boy, I never could have done it without that manual. Now for a well-deserved glass of wine. Tomorrow I'll start on cleaning out the innards of the thing.

Not as rusty as I thought it might be. I can get the carriage rails working again. I'm not sure about the escapement, though. I haven't seen that yet in the daylight.


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11-1-2016 10:05:31  #14


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And update is in order (as of 11 Jan 2016) and work on this project is continuing apace. I got the next major piece off now, that's the "shift assembly" -- the part with the lower half of the carriage rail on it that you can see in the picture above.
   And I'm slowly working things loose. I had to take off the shift assembly to get some access to all of the intricate typebar linkages. And I've gotten those oiled now and worked free. So all of the keys are working now, both upper and lower type slugs! Today I'm going to get the ribbon vibrator arm back on. I got it off Saturday and oiled the shaft so it works easily now, but the arm is in a really tight spot.
   I've got the drum unit out of the machine and I'll need to take a look at oiling that and working it free as, like everything else on this machine, it was frozen with rust. Then I'll put the drum unit back in and check the ribbon movement. And then I think it will be time to spend a few moments in the kitchen with a toothbrush and actually clean the covers on this thing.  I need to do that before I put the shift assembly back and then start concentrating on the carriage. And I'm hoping the escapement will work correctly. I got it so it moves, but I don't know if it's supposed to move easily or if it's supposed to have some drag. I think this typer uses a silent clutch for the carriage return instead of a ratchet (Too much noise with a ratchet I guess).
   This is a fantastic machine! The design and engineering are top-notch. They didn't cut any corners, I can tell that from the tear down. Example: they used sixteen (16) little roller bearings for the carriage movement. First, roller bearings are superior to ball bearings, and second, I'm sure some accountant could have asked them to reduce it to eight roller bearings, and that would have worked, but 16 is so much more stable and tough! The back cover is cast iron! So of course it's heavy. This is the Cadillac of 1940 typer design.
   So I'm pecking away, cleaning up rust and oiling things. I just bought another bottle of gun oil I'm going through it so fast. Do you know how many joints there are on every one of those typebar linkages?
   More later.


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11-1-2016 16:33:37  #15


Re: 1930's Underwood Noiseless desk model

Good luck with the repair work! I just got one of these yesterday and I agree with you that they did not cut corners. Keep working at it, the Noiseless is a wonderful typewriter to use and you will not be disappointed.


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12-1-2016 06:27:44  #16


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treefaller, I salute you! If you can rescue that thing, I should be able to get a much more gently used one working. I was spoiled by beginner's luck whereby a number of "broken" machines required the most minor tweaks to get typing again so I began thinking typewriter repair was a piece of cake. Lately some more needy machines have steadied me - and monopolized my work area in states of arrested repair. 

Since there are now three of us peering at the same model, approximately, a simple question: the double-type-head thing. I think every type bar does double duty, coming in high for one key and low for another? If there is no stupid question this must be the one that tests the rule, since either this is so well known it's a boring observation, or nuts. But these are classic reasons for being afraid to ask stupid questions. 

One thing your example has which mine lacks is a proper set of keys! There seems reason to believe the small blank keys were original and it was a teaching machine, but I still have doubts.... aha!  Having such annoying small slick targets would be consistent with a teaching machine: not only would it force the the student to memorize the keyboard, it would force her to develop such accurate aim that any machine with normal size keys would thereafter seem easy!  If I get this working I shall return to typing school. It is Kismet. Most people at work can't even touch type and I feel slick like a tyro, but in a proper typing school I would soon be called to the office and told my progress was not satisfactory at all, and the school was having second thoughts about admitting me. 


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12-1-2016 16:46:31  #17


Re: 1930's Underwood Noiseless desk model

I'm pretty sure that each typebar does double duty because there was just simply no room with the Noiseless mechanism. I find it fascinating that they could figure out a way to do this. 

And has anyone else had trouble with the ribbon vibrator? I had such a terrible time getting the ribbon in the vibrator that I nearly ripped it twice. It just seems like bad design to me. Or it could just be me doing something wrong.


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12-1-2016 20:09:10  #18


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Heh, ztyper. I understand you frustration  with that ribbon threading. Tip: use a pair of tweezers to fold the ribbon back so it goes around the corners until it drops down into the main channel. Good luck!


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28-1-2016 15:11:37  #19


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Today is somewhat of a milestone in the Underwood Noiseless Standard clean-up project. Today is "first printing" day for this machine! Who knows how many years it has been since this old, rusty girl made a legible mark on paper? 40? 50? Even 60? She's 75 years old now so it's possible.
   Now I'm not nearly done with the project. There is a whole list of things that have to be adjusted or even re-installed correctly, and the platen roller bearings are still rusted tight, but it rolls in it's cradle with the help of a little grease. So, as excited as I was to finally get the platen back on, I decided to load it up with a carbon paper pack and see if something would print. Sure enough, I got an image!
   She has elite sized type, which I think is "Distinctive Elite" judging from the "DE" foundry mark on the slugs. You'll have to excuse the poor look of this type sample. There are still lots of things that need to be fixed, from the shift mechanism, to rust on the paper trough that causes the paper to hang up. But there is printing! Hooray!


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03-2-2016 13:56:12  #20


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And here it is 3 Feb 2016 and I'm officially ready to say I'm done now. The old girl is fixed and operating again. All I have to do now is exercise her for a month or so, which I am beginning to do.  I just noticed that I haven't posted an updated typing sample, so I'll get to that soon. It's typing pretty nicely now, and it certainly it quiet! The keyboard touch is something I'm still getting used to, so I'll pound on it for awhile before venturing my permanent opinion on Noiseless typewriters. In the meantime, here is a before and after pic of the old girl, whom I call "Norma Desmond" (cf. Sunset Boulevard)
This is a 1940 Underwood Noiseless Standard, s/n N5226971, with Distinctive Elite font.
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